How to Heal From Cheating and Betrayal

When someone you trust breaks that bond, the world can feel like it’s turned upside down. In this episode, breakup coach Janice Formicella and Host Gretta discuss the messy reality of betrayal and how to move forward. We dive into why people cheat, how to handle the "I’m not enough" narrative, and why taking a break from dating might be the best thing you ever do for your confidence.

What we cover in this episode:

• Why cheaters do it, from poor communication to fear of conflict.
• Attachment styles and cheating.
• How to stop the "not enough" spiral after a breakup.
• Practical ways to start trusting your gut again.
• They're not all cheaters; tips for those who want a relationship but are hesitant to date again.
• How to balance grief, anger, and healthy distractions.

If you're healing after being cheated on, this conversation is for you. You'll gain practical steps to feel like yourself again.

Connect with Janice Formichella: 

YouTube | Janice's Website | Insight Timer Guided Meditations by Janice

Janice Formichella is a breakup coach and the host of the podcasts Sex and the Solo Girl and Breakups, Broken Hearts, and Moving On. She is passionate about helping people from all backgrounds to beat their breakup, overcome loneliness, and make the end of a relationship the start of a powerful new beginning.

Connect with Gretta:

Free Guide: What to Say To A Ghost
Free and Private Facebook Support Group |  Instagram | copingwithghosting.com

Host Gretta Perlmutter, a Certified Post Betrayal Transformation® Coach, delivers evidence-based strategies to turn personal betrayal into a powerful catalyst for growth and healing.

Music: "Ghosted" by Gustavo Zaiah

Disclaimer:  This information is designed to mentor and guide you to cope with Ghosting by cultivating a positive mindset and implementing self-care practices. It is for educational purposes only and provides self-help tools for your use. Coping With Ghosting is not providing health care or psychological therapy services and is not diagnosing or treating any physical or mental ailment of the mind or body. The content is not a substitute for therapy or any advice given by a licensed psychologist or other licensed or registered professionals.

Transcript

Introductions

Gretta 0:17

Welcome to Coping with Ghosting, the podcast that provides hope, healing, and understanding for anyone who's been hurt in a relationship. So if you've been ghosted, betrayed, I'm your host, Gretta, and I am a certified post-betrayal transformation coach. And today my guest and I are going to discuss cheating and dating, love, and intimate relationships. My guest is Janice Formicella, a breakup coach and host of the podcast Sex in the Solo Girl and Breakup's Broken Hearts and Moving On. She's passionate about helping people from all backgrounds to beat their breakup, overcome loneliness, and to make the end of a relationship the start of a powerful new beginning. Welcome, Janice.

Janice Formichella 1:04

Thank you so much. I still smile when I hear my bio because yes, I am very passionate about what I do. And thank you for having me.

Gretta 1:12

It's my pleasure. I'm so glad you're here to discuss a really heavy topic: cheating. And if you're open to sharing, I'd be curious to hear about any personal experience that you've had with betrayal and how that journey has shaped the work that you do today.

Janice’s Betrayal Story And Lessons

Janice Formichella 1:33

Well, I have definitely had experiences with betrayal. It might not be though what you're expecting to hear. I actually lived overseas for quite a few years, and I got into a relationship, a professional relationship with someone I had previously just been friends with. And it turned into a very, very highly they ended up sponsoring me, a work sponsorship, excuse me. And the situation and the relationship ended up becoming so scary almost and toxic and very hostile, workplace, a lot of workplace bullying. Um it ended up, I ended up pressing charges actually against them. And so I felt very betrayed by these people who I thought were my friends. And then subsequently, because I did know them socially before this, I ended up losing a lot of friends who I thought were really, really close to me because of, you know, their social clout and other things. I mean, one of my best friends actually um kind of turned against me, and that was a very serious betrayal for me. Um, it still actually hurts a little to talk about. Um, and so I had these people who I thought were close to me um treat me very poorly. And after that, I kind of hit rock bottom. And like we're going to talk about after some of these things happen, you it shatters you. You don't trust yourself, you don't want to even be around people. And I felt for a long time like I didn't want to make new friends because I was scared, yeah, of getting hurt again. Um, and so I ended up taking a lot of time to myself where I didn't date, I didn't socialize much. Um, but it made me into the strong, confident person who is sitting before you today and um yeah, taught me a lot about recognizing red flags and how I wanted to form relationships in the future. So it was, yeah, that that betrayal had huge impact on my life now and why I wanted to work as a breakup coach.

Gretta 3:47

Wow. Thank you for sharing that. And as you were speaking, I relate to a lot of the elements in the story too, the sudden kind of psychological earthquake, the realization that the people you love and trust and cared for and who you told all your secrets to are and they did end up kind of using things that they knew about me against me.

Janice Formichella 4:11

And, you know, this particular friend who ended up kind of turning her back on me. Um, I mean, she was like one of the closest people to me. And yeah, it made me super skittish about even forming friendships for for a long time.

Gretta 4:24

And yeah, yeah, I can completely understand because I've been in that boat. I've shared these stories on this podcast. I'm gonna be talking about it more. And so my heart goes out to you for what you experienced. I wish I could have been there, known you, helped you, but it sounds like it all worked out.

Janice Formichella 4:42

Yeah. Um yeah, the trauma, and it was, I would say, probably trauma with a capital T because it was so severe. Um, it stayed with me for a long time. Even still today, um, just like with cheating, I know, I know it wasn't my fault, but still some of the memories of what I went through, I I still kind of haunt me a little bit. And so I understand how something like cheating can can stay with you, but I also understand how you can build yourself back up from it. Had lots of clients as a breakup coach who have either experienced cheating or cheated themselves, who have come to me. And so I've also gotten a really close inside look um in into cheating and how to recover from it from both sides.

Gretta’s Potential "Cheating" Ghost

Gretta 5:29

That's important. And we'll get into that. I wanted to share my story a little bit with listeners and viewers on YouTube as well. I was dating a man who ghosted me, and it was probably one of the biggest shocks of my life because I had trusted him and I didn't see this coming at all. And I a couple of months later found out that he was engaged because of his social media. He was posting pictures of himself and his brand new fiance. And so I did the math quickly in my head. Okay, it's like a couple of months after being intimate with me. So clearly, I mean, most likely, I don't really know for sure, but I'm going to these days.

Janice Formichella 6:19

Um yeah, people don't typically go that quickly. Yeah.

Gretta 6:25

Yeah. I'm pretty sure he was with me and her at the same time, and I had no clue, no idea. Yeah. So that that's my experience with a cheating, a potentially cheating ghost, because I can't I can't assume anything, but probably that Yeah, that sounds crazy making. Yeah. It was it was a lot of what why is she better than me? What does she have that I don't? And it was just, yeah, I I don't play the comparison game anymore. That's a fruitless game, but that's what I did back then. So this is a big painful topic. And I too have a lot of clients that have both situations going on. So here's what I mean by that: a situation like me, where they were ghosted and then later found out that they were being cheated on, or a situation where perhaps they were intentionally dating somebody who was cheating on their partner. So I have, for example, a female client who met her significant other on Ashley Madison. Well, and this man then ghosted her. And so I just want to say that as a coach, I'm not in a place to judge, and I am in a place to care and serve and support, right? And so for me, I see her feelings of being ghosted, and it's it's her feelings are valid. And so, you know, the coaching process looks different for somebody like her who's intentionally being with somebody who she knows beforehand is unavailable. But it's still like if you're in that situation, this show is for you because we're not here to judge or criticize, we're here to help, right? So that's what I wanted to share.

Janice Formichella 8:12

Yeah, let's and let's do it. And for full transparency, um, and I I shared this with you previously. I have um uh been with someone um who was married, and so I do also understand how your friend or how your client, excuse me, can get roped into being in a relationship um with someone who's married, um, because they really have a way of roping you in. And so I've been on that side of it as well. Which is hard for me to admit publicly, but um it it happened. I learned a lot from it. And also it allows me to not be judgmental of people, really hardly at all.

Gretta 8:57

Really, my whole entire perspective has shifted to one of empathy and compassion. And I know that you wouldn't do that again now. Like we all go through different identities as we grow and evolve. You know, I've ghosted somebody before, I'm not proud of it, and I have a whole show about healing from ghosting, but I this is behavior that I don't think is appropriate, but it's something that I've done. So I think listeners, like if you have something in your past that you feel that's niggling at you, that you regret, like know that you you're not the same person that you were then.

Janice Formichella 9:34

Yep. Yep. And I don't judge myself. Um, I remember very clearly how the whole thing happened and feeling um, you know, feeling almost like it was meant to be. Um, and so I don't I don't judge myself uh for it. And you are absolutely right. This is nothing I would do again. Um, but um at at the time it made sense to me.

Gretta 9:55

Yeah, yeah. And I think you were you, okay, the whole the whole phrase of you were doing the best you could with the tools and the information that you had at the time, like looking back and giving yourself that kindness and that grace and that forgiveness. And I really appreciate that you brought that piece here. So thank you for sharing that.

Janice Formichella 10:11

You're very welcome.

Gretta 10:14

So this is a big question, and I know there's not just one answer, but why do what's your take on this? Why do people cheat?

Janice Formichella 10:22

So, from my experience with with this man, but more so with my clients who have been the cheater, and you'd be surprised. People, people have come and fully admitted this um to me. Um, in both instances, there's often, and this might be an unpopular opinion, but there's really something that's um they feel is lacking that maybe they find elsewhere. And this is not take responsibility off them because if you are in a relationship and you feel something is lacking, that's your responsibility to address. But it's sometimes as simple as meaningful conversations. Um, yes, sex, I think, plays a huge role in it. Um passion um can sometimes be lacking in a long-term relationship. And we start to crave these things, and rather than addressing them or doing the proper thing inside of an exclusive relationship or one that is supposed to be exclusive, um, you know, go out and selfishly get them elsewhere because sometimes um addressing them and confronting them is um challenging. A lot of people don't want to go through divorce. A lot of people completely lack communication skills, which I would say plays into this a lot. Some couples don't know how to communicate um at all and just let things get worse and worse. And then on the other side of things, um it is true that some people are just selfish and bad and bad partners and and don't try. So I I've seen it go both ways. Some people, yeah, I mean, not everyone is a good partner, and some people really have a void in their life.

Gretta 12:19

I did a little teeny bit of research into this as well. And I think to me, the most upsetting thing that I read was that um people cheat on pregnant women in the days leading up to having the baby, and then also postpartum. That's a really fragile time for the whole entire family. But fathers to be are I think I read a statistic uh that said 10% of fathers to be will cheat on their pregnant partner. However, that was questioned, and so that's why I'm not citing any sources there because it was just like a statistic that I read about. Okay, then I went down a rabbit hole and I looked at celebrities who have been cheated on while pregnant, and there was like a huge laundry list of that, and it really upset me.

What type of person cheats

Janice Formichella 13:04

Well, and that would be a stressful time for the for the father, and so yeah, instead of having an outlet um of how to express and process and deal with stress, yeah, they're they're going and doing, you know, the selfish thing. And so, I mean, even that is a void. That's someone who, you know, lacks support and has a void of knowing how to deal with a stressful situation. And especially during a pregnancy, I mean, that would be just kind of like a ripe time to connect with your partner and work through that. Um, but yeah, some some people don't want to put that investment in.

Gretta 13:41

Yeah. Are there like hallmarks of cheaters? Do they have a specific type of attachment style or personality disorders? Like, what's the profile?

Janice Formichella 13:53

So obviously, someone with narcissistic traits is going to be more likely because they're just thinking about themselves and you know their own gratification. Um, so I, you know, I think that's kind of an obvious answer. However, from my experience, um it everybody does it. Um, I've, you know, people from all backgrounds. Um, I've seen um really successful women um who do it. Um it's yeah, yeah, I I've seen um people misbehave from all different backgrounds. And as far as attachment goes, and I do a lot of content around around attachment. Um, in fact, both of my podcasts are about helping people become more securely attached. And through my work, um I have not been able to make actually any correlation. Someone who is anxious is just as likely to do it as someone who's avoidant. Um, a lot of people would think that avoidance, avoid people who have avoidant attachment tendencies would be more likely to cheat. And that's not what I've seen at all. I've had clients who are very anxious who have cheated partially because they find themselves kind of falling for someone, and um that's why they end up cheating because they're they become you know so attached. So um, this is just kind of a an invitation to everyone listening and watching to, you know, do better, learn how to communicate better, try to be a better partner, um, and you know, just show up better or get out of the relationship if you're unhappy.

Gretta 15:46

Yeah, absolutely.

Janice Formichella 15:47

Use your voice, speak up, try to get help for the and um, you know, people of um all different types of attachment um backgrounds and tendencies um can are you know can learn to communicate better. I mean, that's one of the hallmarks of all different types of attachment styles is that it's the communication um skill that's that's lacking. And so therefore you are just as prone to make bad decisions as as another person. And so becoming securely attached will uh uh I think prevent a lot of this, but that takes so much, so much work. Learning to communicate that is intentional and that takes time and practice and discomfort. And a lot of people aren't equipped to do that or want to do that.

Stopping Self-Blame After Betrayal

Gretta 16:40

It's so true. And there's this heavy burden of self-blame that often falls upon the person who has been cheated on. And so maybe they're feeling right now like, well, did I do enough to communicate to get the cheater to stay? Like, what's why am I not enough? And so what words would you have for them?

Janice Formichella 17:07

Um, first of all, if that's how you're feeling, I'm I'm sorry. Um, being cheated on is just you know so painful and shattering. And I think it's really, really easy to to internalize it. And um I I suppose when it comes to feeling like you're not enough, and that's why this happened, uh, that has nothing to do with it, like I've you know, already said. And um, I don't want to sound crass at all, but if I was coaching someone who was recovering from being cheated on, I would definitely work with them to try and understand that or accept that even bad things happen for a reason in relationships. Um, definitely they do. I mean, the relationship you were in with the cheater, it it wasn't working. Um, all relationships end because there's it's there's something that's d dysfunctional about them. And this is obviously what's dysfunctional about this relationship is that you were with um a cheater. And so, you know, remind yourself that this, you know, the breakup um needed to happen because, yeah, like I said, it wasn't, it wasn't working. And also, um, if the cheating does lead to a breakup, which I think that's partially the assumption um that I'm speaking from at least, um it the recovery is um painful, um, but I really do believe that all breakups are a chance for a fresh start and a new beginning and to look after yourself and to get to the point where you can even look forward to that new chapter in your life.

Gretta 18:57

Beautifully said. Thank you. I'm in alignment with that too. And I really think for the listener who's been cheated on, maybe ghosted and cheated on, who knows what your situation is. But if you're hurting right now, know that their cheating isn't about you. And I know you've said that, and and I think it just bears repeating as many times as we need on this show because you are enough. And this is about the cheaters' lack of ability to communicate that there is an issue in the relationship or that they need they want to be with somebody else instead. It's about their lack, but their lack is not about you.

Janice Formichella 19:41

Yeah, thank you.

First Steps To Recover

Gretta 19:43

Yeah. So when you do have clients that come to you and they're completely blindsided and baffled and just in shock, what how do you help them to begin to kind of get out of that state and back onto their feet again?

Janice Formichella 20:02

Well, I do have an entire methodology as far as how I help people to recover from a breakup. And I think the initial stages when you've been blindsided are so shattering and destabilizing. And so it needs to be addressed. You know, your healing journey um takes intention and it needs to begin. And I'm lucky that, you know, the people who come to me realize that it's time to get support and realize that this is going to take help and support. And so that's that that's a blessing. I mean, no one hires a breakup coach who isn't, you know, ready to do some amount of work. Um, when you're blindsided and you feel like you can't function and you're in survival mode and not sure what to do. Um, I would just remind your yourself or um that recovering in the initial stages of all of this, it's allowing space for your grief and probably your anger as well. So we allow space for that so that we can start to process it. And so it doesn't come up maybe in our next relationship or even at work. Um, so we're allowing space for that, but then we're also combining that with some like healthy distractions so that we don't allow too much space for it and it you know completely overwhelms us because that's when you can really, really, really start to get stuck or do things that you might regret, such as maybe staying with this person who you know has treated you so poorly. Um, and so that's how you can kind of get out of survival mode is being um intentional about your healing. Um, I know how angry. And hurt this can make people. And so, like, let's address it and and get it out of the way. And then, um, second to this, uh, you know, you're gonna want to get to the point where you are um kind of happy with your new life, and like I just mentioned, be uh glad that this happened and that you know you can be your own best partner and make space um for someone who's not gonna treat you this way. So kind of a combination of of addressing it and you know, letting yourself um see the blessings that getting away from a cheater is gonna give you.

Gretta 22:38

Yeah, exactly. I remember when I went through a breakup and I wasn't being cheated on, but it was a regular breakup, and it was just I was a hot mess. I was so messed up. Oh my gosh. I I was like, I know I was like, okay, so I was so sad that I thought I want to hire a nanny for myself. Like I want I want somebody to take care of me. I was like, I just want somebody to make all my meals so I could just be embedded. They could just bring them to me embedded. I could just cry over them.

Janice Formichella 23:08

Like I know, I know the feeling. I I really, really know the feeling of um having a hard time recovering from a breakup, feeling like you can't do anything for yourself, but also um being devastated, you know, for other reasons is also something that's kind of found me in bed and um yeah, wishing that I had um someone to cook for me.

Gretta 23:30

Yeah. And so I was I was telling my friend about this. This was a long time ago, and she's like, Well, you know, just know, just hold this image in your mind. In six months, you're gonna be like, this is the best thing that ever happened to me. And I was like, If you allow it, yeah, right? And I was like, that's not true. And six months later, I was like, she was right. I'm so happy that I'm not with this person anymore.

Janice Formichella 23:53

Well, and it takes a little bit of faith to um believe that you will get there. I've also gone through a breakup where I told people, I will never get over this. Uh, so I know the feeling, and you don't have to completely um believe or be glad that it happened, but have the faith that you will eventually.

When You Want To Quit Dating

Gretta 24:15

Yes, the belief is very important, the knowing. Yeah. So, and I've seen so many people that want to give up on dating completely for the rest of their lives because they've been ghosted or they've been cheated on. And what words do you have for people who are feeling that way, who who are in the protection mode, but what words would you give them so that they can feel like, ah, okay, I can move back to connection?

Janice Formichella 24:42

Yeah. Um, well, also, like I've already said, I'm sorry that you feel this way. And I think that that really comes from a lack of self-trust that can develop after a lot of breakups, especially something like this, where you you just think to yourself, how did I allow this to happen? How did I make such poor decisions? And that can completely destroy your self-trust. And also cheating naturally affects our confidence. And that can also make us scared to, or completely unable to meet people and to um, you know, want to approach someone or have a conversation with someone new or even go on a dating app. Yeah, this can just completely shatter all of that. Um so I will say if a relationship is something that you would like in the future, and some people don't. I mean, some people after a breakup decide they want to stay single because they love it. Um, but if connection is something that you really want, my top advice is to stay single for now and get to the point where you honestly enjoy being single and you've built up your self-love to the point that you enjoy spending time on your own and it is a good lifestyle. And then if you're still craving companionship, that's the foundation from which you should uh do it. And this is because if you want connection, the happier you are with yourself, the more likely you will be to make good decisions, to recognize the red flags, and to get to a point where you can have an authentic, healthy connection. You will be um able and willing to walk away from a relationship that has a less likelihood of thriving, or a walk away from someone who you have an intuition that they might mistreat you or they actually do, if you're single and happy, because you know you don't really have anything, anything to lose because you're gonna be just fine. So um, yeah, take your time, embrace the single life, and then go from there. Um, and you don't have to do it all at once. Um, also, I'm not single, but being single is awesome. I I promise you.

Gretta 27:26

I know that our listeners are gonna get so much out of that because that was really great advice. So thank you for that.

Janice Formichella 27:32

Um promising you it works. And if you that if that's something you really crave, um it it's there for you, but you got to do this first.

Rebuilding Intuition And Boundaries

Gretta 27:42

Yeah, I totally agree with that. I think that's brilliant. Uh another concern that I think people are facing now at this point after being cheated on, and maybe they're like, well, okay, I want to pick somebody to compliment my life now, I'm ready, but I don't feel like I can trust this. Like my kicker is off. Historically, I've been with people who have ghosted me, cheated on me. How does somebody begin to repair their relationship with their own intuition?

Janice Formichella 28:16

Well, again, it goes back to developing the self-trust that can come with with being with being single and um learning to listen to your intuition. I think that a lot of people don't really even know what that means and what that feels like. And so practice doing that in your day-to-day and something as simple as when you go to the store thinking about what you want to buy and going slow and just listening to what your gut tells you. Um, you can get so good listening to your intuition that you might even start to have different bodily sensations that will help you make uh better, better decisions. And so be intentional. Maybe that's the um word of the episode, uh, be intentional about taking time to listen to yourself when you make just small decisions uh in in your life. Um, even as you are single, just taking a moment to think um, what would I most like to make for dinner? Or where would I most like to go, what restaurant, and then leaning into that. And so, yeah, start with small decisions, um, and then you'll you'll build up your intuition and that will help you make um better choices. If you feel that you do have a broken picker, that can be, you know, your picker can be repaired. It just takes a lot of effort and it takes the willingness to ac to to act upon red flags when you see them. And that's why I advocate I advocate being single because some people want so badly to be in a relationship that they will stay even though they see something that they that they don't like, and they will either ignore it or just go along with it. And you know, that's how we typically end up in unhealthy relationships. Um, so many people will ask themselves, why did I ignore this or that in the beginning? Um, and and being single and developing the intuition will help you not not to do that. Um, and I will also say something that I've had to learn how to do is always, always, always putting my own needs and wants and desires first, um, even inside of relationships. Um, because like I said, it helps you to make better decisions. Um, and it's it's not selfish, it's a way of life, really. And also, if you're going through any of this, uh, I would suggest getting support um from one of us. That can really, really, really help.

Gretta 31:17

I agree. And for me, building my intuition is a lifelong thing. And I started doing like some guided meditations just a couple of minutes a day, even just to kind of make sure that that mind-body connection is there, that I'm really listening to my gut, that to me has been a huge game changer in just the way I function every day and my relationships, taking some time, even if it's just to deep breathe for five minutes a day or three minutes a day. I think that can be the foundation of cultivating that intuition. And then also when you are single after you have gone through the breakup or whatever, when you're single, writing a list of what you know you want and deserve in a relationship, writing out your boundaries, writing out your standards. And then if somebody is, you know, going outside of these things and something feels off to you, now you have like this written list of what are my standards, what are my boundaries? So, like an example is let's just say you don't want to be with somebody who's actively doing lots of drugs. Okay. And so you have on your list of standards, I'm not gonna be with somebody who's doing drugs, but then let's say that person doesn't come home for three days and you think they're ghosting, but they're really on like a drug trip and they've been hospitalized and all this stuff. And like, is that somebody you want to continue dating? If you've written it down kind of as a promise to yourself, as your standard, this is not what I want, and now it's happening. These two things are out of alignment. And so I would just think that that's a way to really like make a concrete promise to yourself that you are going to trust yourself when things that are breaking your needs for a healthy relationship where somebody's actually present for you. Um if that if they're breaking it, then that's that's not the right fit for you for your lifestyle if that's what you choose.

Meditation For Self-Trust After Breakups

Janice Formichella 33:23

Yeah, be be prepared with what you with what you want and what you're looking for. And there's lots of various ways that you can do that um with a coach. Exactly. Um I will also give a little plug. Um, I am a teacher on Insight Timer. It's one of the world's uh most uh you know um most popular uh meditation apps. I'm a teacher over there. Um and they do have a free version that is remarkable. And I actually have a um track that I have made with the free version, and it's about developing self-trust after a breakup. And I have a number of affirmations that I walk people through. So if you are experiencing any of this, um go over there and download, yeah, my self-trust uh meditation.

Gretta 34:13

I love this. I didn't realize that, and I'm a huge fan of Insight Timer. I've mentioned it many times on this podcast, and so I will link to that in the show notes because that's really exciting. I had no idea. Yeah. Well, is there anything else you feel that's essential for people who have experienced cheating to know, especially if they're in the thick of it?

Janice Formichella 34:37

I think it's important to really attempt not to internalize it. And if you are to do the work to get out of that, of that mindset, I will also again encourage you to believe that this breakup has happened for a reason. You are going to be better off either by yourself or with someone who will not do this to you. And I also just want to say how sorry I am and how real and natural and normal your your grief or your anger is right now. And also I believe in you too, to rise above it.

How To Connect With Janice

Gretta 35:21

Yes, you're not alone in this. You can heal, you can get better. It's going to take intention. It's just do it one day at a time. Yep. Yes. You've got this. Yes, you got it. So, how can listeners connect with you?

Janice Formichella 35:38

Go over to my website, janiceformicella.com. I'm actually giving free first coaching sessions right now. I do breakup coaching and I also do dating coaching. So come over there, schedule a free session with me. And I'm also on Instagram at Janice Formicella. Ooh, and actually go to my YouTube. That is really taking off right now. I've got a lot of really, really fun content over there. And again, that, and that is also Janice Formicella. Come and let's hang out online. Um, I would love to support you if you can relate to any of this. I I I know that my coaching works and I would love to be there for you.

Gretta 36:18

Thank you. I am so grateful that you took the time today to be here. Your words, I know, are going to help so many people. So thank you. Yeah, yeah.

Janice Formichella 36:28

Thank you so much for having me and for doing such important work.

Follow The Show And Closing

Gretta 36:32

Thank you. Yeah. And to the listeners, to the viewers, please follow me. I'm at Coping with Ghosting on all social media channels. And I also have a free Facebook group you can join. It's called Coping with Ghosting. Surprise. And finally remember uh no matter what you're going through, no matter what you're facing, you're not alone. And you're worthy of care and connection, and you deserve the best.